On The Recent MRA/MGTOW/Manosphere Debate Re Relationships With Women

Clarification: MGTOWs such as Stardusk and Barbarossaaaa have lately taken issue with some things said by RockingMrE and especially his cadre of commenters. Let me first say that I am a big fan of RME, sure not as big of a fan as I am of Bernard Chapin, so I was a bit conflicted to see Barb and Star “going at” RME. I like all three and thought “can’t we all just get along.” I still stand by RockingMrE as an indeed Rocking MRA. It seems many of the criticisms levied by Barb/Star are more directed at RME’s commenters, and I’ve not read those threads yet.

As I understand it, IMHO, It SOUNDS like, at least from those two above vids from Star and Barb, that RME or “his camp” are really emphasizing NAWALT and talking about loving “ideal” hetero rels, and may be using a strawman or ad hominem to suggest that Star has “A Gaping Wound” due to alleged emotional drainage due to alleged recent bad rels, which he stated was not the case. But It’s important that he addressed what should be called “the gaping wound shaming tactic” because at root, it is a kind of shaming tactic: “your arguments are not valid because you’re just angry over personal events, and that’s clouding your judgment”, which I’ve seen used before against MGTOWs, marriage-avoiders, happy bachelors, etc.

If Briffault’s Law and the tendency of Female Hypergamy is at all valid, then it correlates that, although both men and women are self-interested as most organisms are, women are generally MORE self-interested than men, and will take advantage of men’s tendency to Sacrifice Themselves for the Benefit of Women, and of course NAWALT, but “NAWALT” is actually a deflection/strawman of the ACTUAL POINT, which is, women are, on average, more selfishly exploitative than men, and that The Modern Welfare State acts as a wealth and power transfer generally from men TO women and makes individual men all the more disposable in the everyday lives of women.

MGTOWs say it’s a bit unreasonable to hold out an example of a NARALT Rel, because men have a natural tendency to want to find the proverbial “needle in a haystack”, or as Star puts it, “a microorganism in the cosmos”, or as I might as “an atom in an ocean.” “So you’re saying there’s a chance.” Otherwise logical men will blindly ignore the cost/benefit difference in this case, when their time, energy, strength, resources, wealth, effort, brains etc could be MUCCHHHH more effectively used to further their OWN interests and goals.

Barb and Star also do a good job explaining that MGTOW does not mean “celibacy”.

And there’s the idea of “Team Woman” (Complementarian Loners?) and also Armageddon1115 on Youtube talked about something similar: Do self-proclaimed “anti-feminist” women WALK THE TALK, or do they implicitly support or not explicitly discourage Narcissistic Feminist Entitlement?

I still Like and Respect Rocking Mr E and could never see myself unsubscribing or stopping listen unless he were magically possessed by Hugo Schwyzer AND David Futrelle. But Star and Barb bring up some solid points that are too important to ignore. I myself still have some home for the “atom in an ocean”, although right now I abide by “guilty until proven innocent” and have learned to put my interests and goals first.

There’s nothing wrong with the “me first” concept, the problem is when people want something for nothing.

RME talks about “reciprocal altruism”, but Star counters that with: such a thing is definitionally impossible, and “MUTUAL REWARD” is more like it.

Ok I’m getting closer to STARTING A NEW BLOG where I post longer things like this basically. But the Twitter’s not going anywhere. Ideally I would use just twitter and a VLOG, a Youtube Channel with Me Talking and Ranting and Rambling in imitation of all my Youtube Heroes, because, right now, I believe oratory would be more effective than writing. For me, and for people like me. But again, privacy and anonymity would be even MORE at stake when you hear my voice. I of course would not show my face, but I would want to find a way to disguise my voice so a. it wouldn’t sound too ridiculously fake b. it couldn’t be reverse engineered to reveal my real voice and blackmail me out of any and all jobs for the rest of my life hahahahahah lololololol. http://tl.gd/h5083a

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