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3EDGY5V BABBYS FIRST 4CHAN (LIVE)

WARNING: ADHD AUTISMAL BLOGGING AFTER READING 4CHAN

Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, autists gonna autis. I should* not be Live Blogging, but muh feelz hahaha. It was all downhill after I started reading 4chan/pol during my Free Time. Blame it for being somewhat interesting.

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I r sucker for the screenshots of text With Clear Detailed Advice On How To Do Stuff like self-teaching yourself Fundamental STEMgineer Maths.

http://chanarchive.org/

ok heh after 1 search i found an archive of 4 chan including /pol.

yep breddy lazy, gotta fix myself fast. but i am interested in the stories of 25 year old NEET sperglord kissless virgins who can’t get a job, can’t get a gurl, can’t get a friend, annoying unlikeable failures, if they go to a shrink they f00k that up too, people who are losers in absolutely every way.

heh. wizardchan type people. /v9k is the wizardest of wizardchan. /r9k is the wizardest of 4chan. they really don’t like when betas with horrible hetero experiences in both quantity and quality try to pass as wizards, because to be a REAL wizard you have to be 100% FULL virgin.

Implicit in definition of full wizard is that you have to have reached 30 years old. Virgin of course. Not sure if you need to be full NEETer, or skilled enough in Math and Science to have done anything useful there. Just be a 30 year old virgin? Not sure if there actually ARE anyone 30 or above on wizardchan, haha.

http://chanarchive.org/4chan/pol/68699

“we need to redpill women, how do”

http://chanarchive.org/4chan/pol

youtube “hitler the greatest story never told”

yeah this is a real sh!tpost huh

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was looking for the “university politics what kind of engineering should I go into, because we determined STEM is the only thing worth going to college for” in /pol, somebody posted this image near the top, can’t find the thread on 4chan or 4chanarchive, probably should have saved the webpage no? ha.

anyway that image was controversial obviously. because mechanical is supposedly god tier too. trying to remember some of the stuff people said: computer ENGIN is generally better than computer SCIENCE unless you go to top 10 skool for compsci. Ok I’m out, hahaha.

Don’t know if I’d say biomedical is “waste of life tier”. seems a little harsh, although i like the harshness of the chans. But True Waste Of Life Tier is any NON-Stem degree!

chanarchive.org - We need to redpill women. What are good tactics for this. - archived from 4chan -pol- - Politically Incorrect

 

heh maybe i need to try a notetaking app like evernote because what if you wanted the text and not an img.

heh. me not restraining myself from posting when I feeeelz like an Autist does not Help My Race!

However I like to try to help Losers of My Race Win. Overcome their bad habits, replace them with good habits. Disregard disorder, acquire order.

so the chinese with Tiger Parents Pushing them real hard to get All A’s in Elec Engin: how MANY of those crack under the stress, burn out, say f00k this sh1t, and become asian neckbeard NEETers?  shiftless layabouts? are these just tail end outliers who really don’t matter much, and the average/normal/majority/median Tiger Child does become a resourceful, well-paid winner?

homeless asians, drug-addicted asians, incarcerated asians. or indians. that fail in their STEM education/career.

heh. gonna be a picture-filled post today.

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heh autimsm.

that feel when you drive down the freeway and it seeeeeems at least 60% of billboards are about EDUCATION MOAR EDUCATION FIXES EVERYTHING. need moar colleges and more people in college. If moar people went to moar college, everyone would have a Good Job, hahahaha.

Of course I am Butthurt because I am sick and Tired of WORKING for My Work, I just want to Work already, hahaha.

No I do WORK, I am not getting NEETer “AutismBux” from the Gummint like some people. Heh. does uncle sam give murkan NEETs autismbux? I AM trying to IMPROVE my current Babbys First Kareeeeeeer so I can be a Better Person, so I could actually SUPPORT the Three White Children I want to have someday.

>4chan fag sez u r a failure if u make less than 37k a year

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“B-But W-What if……he’s RIGHT?”

>natural selection, survival of the fittest, adapt/compete OR DIE

At any rate, yeah I am trying to improve my own Earning Potential and not be some loser who only makes 37k a year, hahahaha. but seriously, kids much younger than me who Did The Right Thing and got a Good Engin Degree are now making 100k a year. because they took Calc 2 in high school, and Calc 3 and Linear Algebra and DE’s and Number Analysis and Statics and Therm in their First year of college, hahaha.

(Some Internet Tuff Guy says that “I’ve never seen an engin student who was doing it Just For The Money ever succeed, they all fail and drop out, become part time help desk, HI HOW CAN I HELP U, RESTART YOUR ROUTER, THANK U CALL AGAIN, HI HOW CAN I HELP U, best buy geek squad at best”)

Black Metal has become all edgy and liberal and mainstream, 16 Year Old Girls Like XASTHUR, so Black Metal Protip: TRY JUDAS ISCARIOT

heh. my Life Pro Tip, it’s all about MOMENTUM. I think if these NEET Wizards had a little MOMENTUM, they would Do Better At Life. Like A Normal Social Life including Friends and Girls, then they wouldn’t complain about their Hard Maths Weeder Courses so much, and not flunk out of skool, and instead become Proud Upstanding White Men some day. But instead they become Poor Broken Men like

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heh heh heh

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however I do permit Men to be Beta, Butthurt, and Bitter for a LITTLE WHILE. More than likely, they have RECENTLY experienced a Soul-Crushing Rejection from someone they were in LUV with.

But uh after 6 to 9 months the Beta Bitter Butthurt goes away. I would also say to White NEETs, that if you can’t seem to make any progress on Wimmin and Career, and indeed it can be Legit Literally Soul-Crushing to not make any progress with Wimmin or Career, then just devote all your energy to Physical Training: Getting In Good Shape, not being a Fat Neckbeard, let that be your new starting point.

Stop eating Sh1t”food” and starting Lifting Heavy Weights and Doing Martial Arts!

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heh heh that picture is REALLY GAY, but I think We Can All find a Great Kernel of Truth innit.

And the other inspiration thing I can remember, from Varg V quoting Marcus Aurelius: “WHERE YOU CAN LIVE, YOU CAN LIVE WELL.”

And I just saved Several White LIVES, thank you very much! Now go and do likewise, Gents.

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“GOOD JOB, SPREADY MCAS5SPREADER!”

time machine oct 04 2012

[live commentary april 2013 : ok let’s start Assuming that Small Nuances have changed since the conception of these Old Posts. Small But Important. ]

Let my Life be a Cautionary Tale that MOTIVATION (faggy word) is IMPORTANT AS F00K. If you have Low Motivation, fix it IMMEDIATELY. Unless you’re Low-IQ. Then you couldn’t go anywhere in life anyway. But being High-IQ with Low-Motivation is real bad. Real faggy. Fix it now. I will try to help you with that, as I try to help myself.

[know what’s a good motivation? not dying on the streets! having a sense of self-respect! being able to hold your head up high! not being a leech vampire parasite on others! Being a Real Man! Being a respectable member of your race and not a shame to your race!]

Wimminz: At their Smartest, they’re just PSEUDOINTELLIGENT LEFTISTS. At average, they suck-up Low-IQ Trendz like they were Big D!x. What a Sh!t Sandwich, uh?

[yes I still agree with that! BUT now I am more compassionate to Women of my Race: Something Of Value Is Being Lost. Instead of getting angry at them I feeeeelz bad for All Of Us as a whole because they have been Poisoned.]

Entitlement. Always a controversial term. IMHO, Most ie Avg ie Beta Men ARE “ENTITLED” to E-Z Access Sex BECAUSE:

1. Wimminz are Stupid and Annoying and you should be compensated for suffering thru that

2. They’re promiscuous as f00k and have been defiled by MANY men with MUCH less time and effort.

Period. QED.

This does NOT mean you are ENTITLED to use violence or Force to get Sex.

It DOES mean you ARE entitled to get angry when you DON’T get sex. Just don’t use violence or force to get it. That’s Immoral. You’re better than that. Just use Game. that’s NOT Immoral.

[heh. Istill agree with that BUT to even USE the WORD Entitled is faggy. Jish. Besides, being So Obsessed With Sex as to write an ENTIRE POST about it, is inherently Jish Perversion! And EVEN WHEN Women of YOUR race are brainwashed to eagerly DEFILE themselves, it does NOT follow that YOU should ENJOY defiling them TOO!  Though I will allow you to enjoy defiling them once in a while.  Not sure how often would be acceptable. Let’s tentatively say once a month. Better than Jish Pornography!]

Now, this is prob gonna get me thrown into Thought Prison by the FedZogz, but I’m Warming Up to Violence. Sometimes Violence is Justified, necessary, not immoral. Like in a War for the Safety of Our Nation. But I’m NOT advocating anyone go out and try to violently overthrow the gov’t, or do Breivik-style Domestic Terrorism! That wouldn’t work anyway!

[OR to do Oscar Yaeger Style One-Man Race War. I’m not encouraging that either. or Any kind of Terrorism. Not sure what I was getting at here, other than Violence is not Inherently Evil, though it can easily be used for evil. It can also be used for good, or to defend Good. And When TSHTF, which uhhh 50% chance will NOT happen in our lifetimes, though our lifetimes Are Setting The Foundations Thereof, you better hope your Descendants are not so scared by Violence that when Violence approaches and threatens them, they are not too SCAWED to return fire with fire.]

When I see a Young Girl in the Peak of Youth (18-21), I 60% of the time, see a Pig who’s taken too Manny Cox. And that’s a SHONDE.

[It IS a SHONDE that You Know Who has perpetuated Social Machines – Media, Gummint, Finance, Education – which encourage Your Women to become Pigs! Grieve for them, and Never Forget Who did it to them!]

If there’s any Young Wimminz in your social circle, don’t shy away from the topic of their Promiscuity! If you haven’t seen them in a month or longer, start your reacquaintance-conversation with “SO, TAKE A LOTTA D!X LATELY? ” They’ll wither before your boldness, and spread their 455es for you if they haven’t already, which they should have!

“GOOD JOB, SPREADY MCA555PEADER!!!!” you can then compliment them.

[ this is WAY too decadent a course of action to take with Your Own Wimmin. If you HAVE to be THAT decadent, I guess make sure it’s with young Khazars, hahahahaha. Try not to be this decadent and cynical, Then you become like the Wimmin you’re shaming, more importantly, you become like The Poison that Poisoned Your Women!]

There’s a valid idea that Wimminz from FREE “Dating” sites like OK Cupid and Plenty of Fish are lower quality / higher number / uglier / crazier / worse than the Wimminz on PAY site like match and eharmony. And that OKC/PoG Grrlz just like ATTENTION whereas Pay-Site gurlz are more serious about actually MEETING you, and when you do meet them,

they’ll prob have a Lower Number and/or be more mentally stable. Maybe. Because the rationale is, they’re paying, you’re paying, everybody’s more serious. Or do they pay? I know the minz pay for the privilege of Having A Chance at Real Wimminz.

But yeah. Like the email from the young man asking Private Man for OKC Advice, or Wimminz and his horror stories about PoF, I just think: CONSIDER THE SOURCE, BABY. It’s a f00king Circus Sideshow of Freakz. (Tool Song?) Or like this guy on MGTOW Forumz sez, “Play Crap Games, Win Crap Prizes!”

But where prostitution is not legal and you’re a 50 year old man who just wants some quick, easy, filthy tail, I can Totes understand!

[ the constant drumbeat of, once you Awaken To Race, none of this neurotic jish kind of sex-talk really even MATTERS anymore. you don’t even think about being some Sleazy Phony to “Get Tail.” You awaken not only to Race but also More Fully to What It Means To Be Man Or Woman, which is what the Nobler Game Thinkers are talking about. You know in

your Marrow that being A Good Strong MAN is more important than “Getting Tail”, and once you become a honest decent strong good Brave Bold Manly Man, A Proud Male Specimen of your race, then you’ll never have to think about or TRY to “get tail” ever again!

okay with all the commentary this post is getting superlong, so go take a break at this halfway point. and enjoy an educational picture too.:

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also I just found this great thing on Archive.org of all/most of William Luther Pierce’s broadcasts for American Dissident Voices. There is that other classic thing with 308 audio files, and yes you should listen to all of those, but this pdf/text has all of those AND MORE. The OTHER ones.

http://archive.org/details/WilliamLutherPierce-Transcripts-AmericanDissidentVoices

yep this one is so good, I might have to put it in the sidebar.

And another great Pierce speech I don’t think was in the 308 speeches, “Why Marriages Fail.” Breddy Much an MRA speech, hahahaha. Use it to awaken your Conservative MRA Friends to the Even Bigger Red Pill Picture. He doesn’t even say the J word here, hahahaha.

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Went to bed super early with the intention of getting 9 full hours of sleep. Woke up feeling like a Testosterone BAUSS. Full of libido and good Humor.

[yes sleep is VERY important. one SHOULD Make Sacrifices to get More Sleep.]

OPEN LETTER TO LARS VON TRIER AND ZENTROPA (EUROPA?) PRODUCTION COMPANY

Dear Mr. von Trier:

You are one of my Cinematic Heroes who is still alive and I would love to be your Assistant. I would need to get paid enough to get health care and live in the worst part of Copenhagen, or Kobenhavn as the Danes call it. I know it’s a Marxist Hellhole, but could it be any worse than Oslo, and besides, even the most Marxist Scand nations are nowhere

near as bad as Spain or France or Greece, why is that, or could they be in 20 years, I dunno. And I know Roosh sez Danish girls are awful, but they’re prob marginally better than American girls. I have watched a ton of Scandinavian movies and can sorta understand the languages, although I’m pretty sure most Danes speak English anyway.

[heh. who cares about ROOSH, and who is really that Sex Obsessed that the “Easiness” of a Country’s Wimmin is a selling point. If anything it’s a symbol of how Decadent, Degenerate, Pornified, Jified, Rotten the country is! And in that respect I hear most of Scandinavia is breddy bad! But there are also Awakened People over there. I predict things are gonna get

REALLY BAD in Scand WITHIN our lifetimes, no more will it be the Idyllic Lily White Socialist Paradise, but it will increasingly become a Violent, Bankrupt, Sh!tskinned Hellhole, and they will not be able to deny it. Anyway Roosh is a smart guy and he’s really not THAT bad and I still read the Roosh Forums once in a while, he is honest about wanting a

Traditional Lady…but I wonder if maybe he has finally poisoned HIMSELF with Too Much Male Promiscuity, which is really not that common. Even taking into account that Men ARE allowed to be More Promiscuous than Women. Anyway I would like for Roosh to become More Racist. I know there was an Anti-Racist Post on his newer blog Game Of Kings

(name?) it was Really annoying because it said Race was Totes Unimportant to A Man, and that Getting Tail was The Most important thing to a man. Breddy Jish thing to write, amirite? But Roosh did not write that article.]

My qualifications are, I’m willing to work 80 hours a week, I know what makes a great film, I know You make great films, and I would just be happy to be doing your bidding provided it was a steady job and I was getting paid enough to live and send some back to my family, that’s very important – they took good care of me and I want to at least try to pay it back. And go see the Danish Doctor once in a while for my gluten and anaemia and cancer checkups and testosterone.

No, I don’t have a Film/Art degree like You do, but I think we would otherwise see 90% eye-to-eye. And I would unfailingly jump through Hoops for you and put the Job first; as this would be a VERY meeeeeeeaningful careeeeer for me, to work with one of my favourite filmmakers.

I appreciate your controversial remarks getting the loserz at Cannez all fired up, and I would gladly make Press Junkets around the world to make similar remarks on your behalf, fully appreciating your fear of flying, and definitely Increase Profit for Zentropa. (Europa?).

[His film-company does some really Jish stuff. Indeed LVT grew up thinking he was a J.  But I think he made some really politically-incorrect comments possibly involving the You-Know-What.  I still like LVT’s movies & I’d like to think he would be open to an Awakening. I like that he is always having some sort of Personal Moral Struggle.]

I would happily do all Your tedious grunt-work.

Please email me at blabla dot com to set up an interview.

Sincerely,

BKCTMOAPGHOW.

http://www.zentropa.dk/jobs/Internship/

Hmm, I might have to TRY a little HARDER!

“will be paid wages during training, except for the first 6 months”

kinda big. kinda high-profile. Lotsa supply of Free Work from Danish Harvard students. Was hoping for a Tiny Company but with Lotta Money to invest in Nonharvard people, hahahaha. Gotta Pay Yer Dues SON!

Zentropa UK in Glasgow. That’s in Scotland!

Yet I fully agree that Companies Have The Right to Hire Tryhards, Companies SHOULD Hire Tryhards, and what better way to Prove Your A Tryhard (sic, hahaha) than to work for free for 6 months.

OK. US Fed Min Wage is 7.25 an hour. Times 40 hours a week. Times how much would be a Good Tryhardship? I’d say 3 months. That would be $3480. That’s how much Value you’re Adding. I would much rather just BRIBE the company with that money up front. 6 months would be slightly under 7 grand, I’d just give em 7 and call it even. I’ve done this calculation before, the dollar value of A Tryhardship (use that word!), and used it to calculate my Bribes. I guess it’s more about the time than the money.

Was reading in my Bible “The Bell Curve” that the dollar value of higher Very Smart people vs hiring just plain old dumb Smart People is Astronomical, in terms of the vastly improved productivity the Smartest Elite bring to their work. So If you can get somebody from the 99th percentile, that’s WAAAAAYYYYYY better, in concrete $$$ term$, than someone from the 98th percentile – MUCHHHH bigger than those “close” numbers might suggest to The Dullard.

Moral of the story: if you’re lucky enough to be A Smart, you HAVE to go to Harvard, or you’ve wasted Your Potential. Smart people are SUPPOSED to go to harvard.

Remember: Third-Tier Colleges GET FOURTH-TIER JOBS. AT BEST. And don’t even get me started on the TAIL!!

[ Heh. I was “In A Dark Place” then, so poisoned by The Poison that Young Tail was my GOD, and that everything else served that master: your career, your Education that leads to that career, that it’s all about getting The Hottest, Youngest TAIL, and as Much of It as you can. Heh. when you start seeing things more thru The Lenses of Race, than through the Lenses of Sex/Gender/Nonrace, do you see how this is a Bad Attitude for Men to have about Women, ESPECIALLY the women of their Race, whom they would like to Mate with?

Also, I know for a fact you can go to a Third-Tier Toilet and still get a Third-Tier Job, hahahahaha. It boils down to Personality and Work Ethic a lot too. Lemme just say I know White Men who went to “Third Tier Toilets” and got Jobs that ANY White Man would be happy to have, and not even with Grad Skool!]

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JOHN JAMELSKE’S S3X DUNGEON

TIME MACHINE POST FROM:

JUNE 13, 2012

Shadow Everyone. All yr friends wot have Bigboys, Shadow Them, buy them lunch, learn to do what they do, it’s like Training only you’re bearing all the burden of the cost, nice value-adding crypto-bribe since you can’t legally bribe, and training is a thing of The LongDead Past, AdaptOrDie. Of COURSE squeeze a blurb onto your RES, if you can’t get a ResBlurb out of Something, it just ain’t WORTH IT & you should just Blow Yer Brains Out(figuratively!), it goes without saying, if you need to hear someone SAY it, Blow Yer Brains Out (figuratively!) Right Now, because yer not fit for SURVIVAL and DEF don’t Deserve a Survival Job!

When yer broad gives you hard time about constantly j3rking-0ff to p0rn, don’t get all beta or defensive, use it as a Teaching Moment: “Well BABY, maybe if you looked prettier, like HER, and did the things SHE does, I wouldn’t have to use pr0n every day, but as it stands now, yer getting OUTSHINED on several fronts.”

Men j3rk0ff to pr0n because the Wimminz they’re having Actual S3x with aren’t ATTRACTIVE enough, and thus aren’t providing good enough s3x to keep him away from p0rn. Very simple. No hidden agendas.

Ideally, the Wimminz you’re banging would be Hot enough and the S3x good enough so you didn’t HAVE to use P0rn. (Note: Wimminz don’t get “better at s3x” the more guys they s3x. they just have to be good-Looking. No learning curve in Taking D!ck!!)

Again snagged by an MSLSD Documentary, very sensational, this time on John Jamelske

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jamelske

of Syracuse NY who had a SEX DUNGEON/BUNKER where he Kidnapped/Enslaved no less than 3 girls over many years, banging them every day. They talked to HIM in jail and he seemed very delusion that what he was doing was a serious crime, thought he would just get community service.

To his credit, he didn’t Sadistically, Violently Torture the girls. He fed them Steak and Played Games with them and gave them a bucket to poop in and water to drink and never beat them, just wanted one bang per day until he set them free, alive and all. Really interesting case. You’d assume most sex-enslavers would torture or kill their victims. not him. Although IF he wanted to be REALLY Generous, he could have furnished the bunker/dungeon a little better because did look pretty inhospitable.

Never heard of this guy. Hit the news around 2003/2004.Wonder what his mental deal is. Sperg? Anal retentive? A bit of a hoarder. OCD? Delusions? He was also pretty emo, could be driven to tears pretty easy. Maybe Bipolar? He had a Wife and said he started kidnapping girls once his Wife got sick and couldn’t give s3x any more, so he had to “look elsewhere” to fulfill his needs.Obv you don’t need to KIDNAP Girls, you can have a perfectly legal non-kidnapped 50 18-year-old-girls HAREM! No need to break any (perfectly valid, reasonable, appropriate, doing-what-laws-SHOULD-do) LAWS! (Kidnapping & Sex Enslaving IS a kind of violence, although not as bad as Abortion or 3G1H haha!)

Caffeine Pills (Vivarin, No-Doz) to self-medicate Undiagnosed Adult ADD? Say break up 1 pill 3 pieces per day? ADHD but no hyperactivity? Inattention And VERY LOW Energy?

If “Free-Thinking” Wimminz want to break down Gender Binary & Norms by having S3x with Herb Betas (“See? We have S with WHOEVER WE WANT! Those MISOGYNISTS Don’t KNOW What Women Want! Sometimes We Think Sensitive Emo Boys are Sexy Too, So we have Random Sex with them!”) , then they should RELINQUISH their “right” to complain about him getting “creepery” or “clingy” “just from s3x”.  They just opened up Pandora’s Box, what do They expect? They should ALSO contractually agree to Severance Bangs after they get bored and dump him, and also an agreed-upon number of Photos and Videos for the Beta. That would clearly make HIM less “creepery”, would clearly Mutually Reward BOTH woman and man, yet the wimminz Don’t Do This, because it involves Too Long-Term of Thinking! You Wimminz Bring it all upon yourselves! You Get The Men You Deserve! You Get The Men And Behavior Which You Reward with Your Stank Sn4tch or which you Punish By Withdrawing Your St4nk Sn4tch, until your sn4tch becomes SO stank that it loses its power to Manipulate & Condition Men’s Behavior!

This is the Tragedy of being a S3x-Addict, is you’re obsessed with something that’s nowhere NEAR as INTERESTING as the Masculine Sciences you SHOULD be interested in! Because your Chakras are imbalanced! Ever hear a MAN talk about CHAKRAS? (outside of original religious meaning)

Girl has Short hair? TIUTA! Hipster Hat? TIUTA! Tattoos esp on arm? TIUTA! Nose Pierce? TIUTA! Dyed Hair? TIUTA! Feminist/Leftist? TIUTA!

TIUTA! TIUTA! NAWTIUTA!

(stole blatantly from Wimminz Blog, go read his blog. Great guy, great blog. Underrated.)

Perhaps “Laziness” is better conceptualized in Current Literature as “Procrastination”, “WORK AVERSION DISORDER” (haha), or simply Lack Of Motivation. The Carrot & The Stick are Broken and can’t condition you to Do Things. Reinforcement/Punishment Schedule is Out Of Wack. What Motivates People To Do Things. What is Good Reward, Good Punishment? Decent Entertainment, Young Tail, Tasty food, ph4t bl00ntz. But eat too much yummy food you get fat. screw pooch. kill golden goose. stops being a reward. being fat is HUGE, CONSTANT, DRAINING PUNISHMENT, prob WORSE than all that food was GOOD.Ok Napping/Sleeping.

Laziness-as-Sin perspective. Yes I LIKE, just want to go beyond. Enlarge. Laziness-As-ADD. Ok. Write Dissertation, turn into Book. fill Gap. Laziness in Western World. Synthesize all the perspectives!

Clearly the best Job for a LAZY person is a UNIONIZED PUBLIC/GOV’T EMPLOYEE! I will bribe you at LEAST $70,000 (over 30 year period) for sth like that. Who do you gotta KNOW. Will bribe them 70 grand. If private sector workers are all Jelly over the Public Bennies, get a Public Job! Unless you have to be Super Smart & Harvard Bourge to get Gov’t Job. But then they wouldn’t have reputation for Laziness! Huh? HUHHH??!!

Not as Hyper as this writing suggests.

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